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Woodgrange Road: 1990 - 2024, a photographic essay

Saturday, 10 August 2024

We stumbled upon a captivating collection of photographs on Flikr, showcasing scenes of Forest Gate captured in three different sessions in and around 1990 by the talented photographer Peter Marshall. With his generous permission, we are delighted to present a unique 'Then and Now' photographic essay, primarily centered around Woodgrange Road.

We are most grateful to the contemporary local photographer Igoris (Iggy) Taran for his 2024 take on the locations originally featured almost 35 years ago. 

You can find out more about Peter and Igoris and their work in the footnote to this article.

The changes between the two sets of photos are striking and barely need commentary, but it seems sensible to provide some explanation and context for some images and their locations.

Although there are very noticeable changes, there are less obvious similarities. Each pair of images exhibits simultaneously change and similarity (same building, different function, same function, different appearance, same features, different layout or colouring, etc). 

It is almost like a trip down Schrodinger's Street! Plus ca change!

Music venues

Woodgrange Road and its offshoots have played an important role in local musical history, as we have written about frequently on this blog. Two of the significant venues, the Lotus Club (featured here) and De Underground, which we hope to feature in the future, were still in operation in 1992. The locations still exist—but as flats now—and in one case, has a very different external appearance.

De Underground

De Underground was an important venue in the development of contemporary urban music. It operated from 18 Sebert Road from 1991 - 1996. Below is Peter Marshall's 1992 shot of it.

18 Sebert Road 1992

Its role was significant enough for Newham council to erect a blue plaque by it in May 2021 in recognition of its role in the "development of UK hardcore, jungle, and drum and bass music." The owners of number 18 would not give permission for it to be erected on their wall, so it was placed next door - see below:

The plaque in situ - now removed

Proudly displaying the plaque, before it was placed on the wall was one of De Underground's key figures, Uncle 22. See below:

Uncle 22 - with the plaque

How different that 18 Sebert Road location looks today—it is home to some pretty shabby-looking flats. Number 16 has recently been renovated, during which the plaque was removed and has yet to be replaced.

18 Sebert Road, today

The Lotus Club

The Lotus Club operated at the other end of Woodgrange Road, above what is now Poundland. Below is a photo of the entrance to the club, tucked away around the corner:
Lotus Club - Post Office Approach - 1991

And here is that same entrance today. Largely the same appearance, still an entrance, but now to more shabby-looking flats. There is something rather sad about ground-breaking venues of 35 years ago becoming anonymous housing today. But, that's part of the story of change of purpose and continuity of buildings:

Entrance to a block of flats - 2024

Eagle and Child figurines

When the Eagle and Child pub—the one with the longest continuous history in Forest Gate—was refurbished in the 1890s, some distinctive figurines were placed on the facia board. Over 130 years later, they survive, but in a neglected state.


Above- Peter Marshall's 1992 photos
Peter captured them in 1992, looking quite spruced up next to the nameplate of what was a pretty seedy and rough pub by then.















 








Today, the pub has gone, transformed into the Woodgrange Pharmacy. But the figurines have that uncared-for look about them.














Above Iggy Taran's 2024 photos





They are the same objects on a building with different functions and care plans!
















Moon House

This Chinese takeaway has been a long-term fixture on Woodgrange Road. When Peter captured it in 1992 it looked like your archetypal "Chinese Chippy" of the day, as shown below:
 
Moon House 1992

The location, name, and function have remained constant - and so has the family! When we showed the current staff the earlier image, they immediately recognised it as their childhood home/shop. The next generation now manages the take-away, with a far wider selection of dishes and an altogether more modern appearance.

Moon House, 2024

Forest Tavern, clocktower and station kiosk

Same kiosk, different roof fabric, same clocktower, different place, same pub, different name!

1992

 
2024

14 Sebert Road

Same shop, same door, different goods!

1992 baby clothes and second-hand shop

2024 - Pizza Haven

Tyre shops

From the tyre shop of 1992 to the tyre shop today!

Peter Marshall took photos of 84 Woodgrange Road, which was labelled a tyre shop, but had clearly been turned into a furniture store, retaining the old facia board. That space is now The Globe, an Albanian restaurant. 

Same place, very different appearance.

The same could be said of 24-26 Woodford Road, which he also photographed. It has been transformed from Kasey's (?) in 1992 to today's local tyre shop. It has the same function, but in a different location!

84 Woodgrange Road

1992 tyre shop, turned furniture store 


Today - Albanian-run coffee shop and restaurant
24-28 Woodford Road

All change! Different feel, look, and purpose.

1992 - Entrance to what we believe to have been Kasey's motorbike shop
2024 - highly recommended tyre shop!

Blondies - 473 Romford Road

It's not quite Woodgrange Road, but here we have the same shop, same location, but different offerings, with tanning and tattooing added to the selection!


Blondies - 1992

Blondies - 2024
Graffiti

Same medium, different subject matter, and different locations on Woodgrange Road!

1991-2





2024





Street life

Four of the locations of Peter Marshall's photos of street life on Woodgrange Road in 1991/91 offer interesting comparisons today.

Young drivers

The location is the same, as is the fact that the shop to the right is a butcher's. The change is that it is now Halal. The toy car has gone.

 1991


2024


People on the street

Same location, different demographic. The shop in the background was Woolworth, the same building today is the Tesco Express.

1991


2024


Near the bus stop

The same location, equally diverse demographic. The children's play train has been replaced by a soulless, secure metal box. A striking difference between these two photos is the considerable increase in street furniture in the contemporary one, a feature recurring in many of the contrasting photographs above.

1991


2024


Tyre shop - street life

The 1990's tyre shop, turned 2024 restaurant was featured above. Below are street life scenes outside it: same sentiment (adult(s) and child), different ethnicity, from the same photo-shoots.

 1992


2024


If any readers have photographs of earlier-era Forest Gate locations that would offer interesting contrasts to the contemporary look and feel of a place, we'd be happy to consider running a feature similar to this one. Just get in touch! 

Footnote
'Then' photographer, Peter Marshall writes: "I began taking photographs around 1970, later teaching and writing about photography and moving into photography full-time around 2000. My first major project was on Hull and was exhibited there in 1983 and was followed by work on the Lea Valley, the Thames, Paris and more. I've photographed buildings and events across London since the 1970s and in this century have concentrated on protests which I still regularly photograph. My pictures have been in various exhibitions and some are in collections, including the Museum of London. They have been published widely in newspapers, magazines and books, including over 15 I've self-published on Blurb. My websites include >RE:PHOTO blog, My London Diary, Hull Photos and the River Lea/Lee Valleyand I now have over 30,000 pictures on Flickr.
 
'Now' photographer, Igoris is a London-based photographer who works with portraiture, documentary and landscape photography. Currently part of an exhibition curated by Johny Pitts at the Hayward Gallery: After the End of History: British Working Class Photography 1989-2024. Contact: picsfromiggy@gmail.com, website: igoristaran.com Contact:picsfromiggy@gmail.com, website: igoristaran.com.

Smallholders - on countdown

Tuesday, 23 October 2018


Smallholders, the pets and garden centre of  113-117, Woodgrange Road, has had a brief reprieve from its impending closure.

Smallholders, today
Earlier this summer, Kevin Shaw, the shop's proprietor, was given three months notice to quit the premises, as his lease was nearing its end. Kevin was able to amiably negotiate a year's extension from the leaseholder, and is now on the look-out for new premises, from next September.

Smallholders - like Barry's, the butcher and Websters, the iron mongers - has been one of the fixtures on the Woodgrange/Woodford Road strip for decades, offering a retail plus professional advice and experience for relevant E7 and beyond shoppers.

The outlet was originally established by John Frost in 1948. His family still has the freehold on the property and  is looking to sell, as part of tidying up his business affairs.

Originally from Ridley Road, Kevin joined John, as a 13-year old "Saturday boy" in 1985, and has been working at the shop ever since - apart from an unsuccessful five month stint,  in the late 80's, as a pipefitter. Kevin took over as proprietor in 1999, and has since transformed the business.

Kevin at work
The shop's original main selling points were pets and plants, but times have changed and the business focus has changed with them. Kevin sells few live pets, these days - there isn't the demand, and only has a couple of busy times a year on the "plant" side now.

The sale of live animals is tightly controlled by legislation, and inspected regularly by local authority animal inspectors.  Kevin and his shop have never had problems on this front, but he says the demand for pet animals has declined locally because of the changing demographic profile of the area, and the fact that so many Forest Gate people live in flats, these days.

When plants were bigger business
He has a much greater turn-over of pet food and toys than he does for animals they are aimed at. But even here, he suffers from strong competition from pet supermarkets. He makes only pennies from packages of pet food, and a ruthless accountant would advise him to discontinue the lines - as they take up too much space for too little reward. He continues with them, though, mainly as a service to long-standing customers.

Pet supplies - not profitable lines; poor
financial returns on considerable shelf space
His plant business suffers now from competition from large garden centres, although his Christmas tree offers are good value and save a transport problems for local purchasers.  The quality of his  plant seedlings in the summer, provides him with a reasonable stream of business. As far as fresh flowers are concerned, he is squeezed at one end of the market by the cheap bunches from supermarkets and petrol stations and at the more exotic and high end, by florists, such as Molly and Bill's a little further along the road.

Kevin's major business, these days, is in the area of exotic fish - as a visit to his website will testify. He reckons it now accounts for 70% of his turnover. A visit inside, and you'll soon find out why.  It almost feels as if you have stepped into an aquarium!

From the website: some of the fish on offer
Such has been the success of the "fishy business" that Kevin has almost doubled the floor space of the shop, since he first took over, those 19 years ago, with most of the additional space occupied by tanks of exotic fish.

They have become fashionable, and Kevin is able to get them from almost all over the world - on demand.  Importing of fish is, of course, subject to animal welfare and health and hygiene restrictions - the fish have to go through a quarantine period having entered the UK, for example. And Kevin knows his way around these complexities.

Smallholders will be homeless in a year, unless Kevin can find another shop.  He admits he's been well treated by his former boss and present landlord, and is grateful for the support he has received.

 But rental of an equivalent space locally will cost in excess of £20k per year, before taking into account business rates, fuel bills and the other overheads.  Sums like this are simply unaffordable, even without taking into consideration the limitations on trade imposed by parking restrictions on shopping streets in Newham.

Almost an aquarium today:
exotic fish and supplies by the tank load
So - why doesn't Kevin go down the road of so many of Forest Gate's other innovative retailers - and get a railway arch? The problem, he says, would be the vibrations from the trains as they pass, they would disturb, frighten and in extreme cases, possibly kill the fish.

Kevin is having to look further afield for an affordable relocation. Further into Essex is an option - as Barry the butcher tried, before returning to Forest Gate. Kevin could offer a free delivery service on appropriate orders to local customers, should he move further east.  But, as Barry discovered, that can be easier said than done.

Hurry down - while stocks last!
If Kevin has less than a year to go, give him a good send off. A Christmas tree there, in December, perhaps? A new interest in exotic fish? Or planting out his seedlings next summer - as a fond farewell?

Tollgate or not Tollgate?

Friday, 27 April 2018

The origins of our district's name are fairly obvious and well known - the details, less so.  In this article we attempt to piece together sometimes conflicting historic accounts to provide a likely, and perhaps controversial, version of the  full story  behind "the gate".

The Forest Gate was located roughly between what is now the Lord Lister clinic and the former Eagle and Child pub (now Woodgrange pharmacy) on Woodgrange Road.

Position of "the gate" today
There was no metalled road during its lifetime, simply a track - and "the gate",  was principally an attempt to prevent cattle straying from "The Forest of Essex" (the lower part of which is what we now know as Wanstead Flats) on to the meadows and orchards of the Woodgrange, or on to the main Colchester to London (now Romford) Road.

Forest Gate's earliest appearance, by name, in surviving records, appears to be in the mid seventeenth century, in the West Ham burial register, which refer to the internment of Martha Jordon, from "the house of William Hare of fforest gate ... Monday ye 9th of April 1655".

The next surviving reference seems to be almost 40 years later, in 1693, when officers of "His Majesty's Forest of Essex" were:
To suffer William Hopkins to enclose two acres near Wood Grange gate, within the said forest, and also give him licence to erect a dwelling house thereupon.
Eighteenth century maps appear to confirm the existence of "the gate".

The Survey Map of John Rocque (see below for an extract), published in 1746, somewhat confusingly calls Woodgrange Road, "The White Gate", and William Hopkins property between Woodgrange Farm and The Eagle and Child pub is labelled "The Red Gate", but the location of the forest gate does snot seem to be indicated!


The Forest Gate section of John
Rocque's 1746 map of Essex

Andre and Chapman's map (see below for a small detail), published some thirty years later, seems to show "the gate", close to the Eagle and Child pub.

Abstract from Andre and Chapman's map, 1777
A local family historian has discovered that "three tenements on the north side of the Eagle and Child in Epping Forest" were insured with Sun Fire Insurance, in 1837, by a Robert Clayworth, who was a poultry farmer of Whitechapel. It looks therefore, as if the area adjacent to "the gate" was farmed by poultry keepers, who sold their stock in the City's Leadenhall Market.

Martin Wallace, in his history of St Mark's church, published in 1986, says that the original gate was replaced in 1851 by the Lord of Woodgrange manor, who erected a new five-bar gate, together with a keeper's cottage - known as Forest House. 

The present article reproduces 6 drawings of "the gate" and its surrounds, but only the last of them shows the five-barred gate.  The others illustrate the earlier, rickety ,older, and perhaps, original one.

The Forest Gate (undated) - clearly
 a popular subject for local artists
Twentieth century commentators (see below) assert that it was not a toll-gate, and this version has become the received wisdom since.  But the evidence, published in a facsimilie of its original form for the first time here, seems to dispute this claim.

The 1851 census, for example (see extracts below) describes a 68 year-old Robert Baker, born in Dagenham , to be living at "Forest Gate Toll House" and as being a "toll keeper". Why the use of the word "toll" twice in this contemporaneous census entry if "the gate" in question were not a toll-gate?

1851 census transcript: Forest Gate Toll House, Robert Baker, Head, married, 68, Toll Keeper (born) Essex, Dagenham.  Also Mary Baker, wife, married, 66, Essex
Martin Wallace does not paint a very sympathetic picture of Baker, describing him as:

Being famous locally for his association with footpads, highwaymen, gypsies and poachers, who used barbaric traps to catch their prey.

According to Victoria County History of Essex  (1986):

(We) and several other authorities doubt if the Forest Gate was ever a toll gate. ... A draft Ordnance Survey about the same time (1851) places a "toll gate" across the road at that point. It is possible that, with the development of the neighbourhood tolls may have been temporarily charged for the upkeep of what became Woodgrange Road until the Local Board (ed: predecessor to West Ham Council) took over the highways  (ed: probably in the 1870's).

This would make complete sense - charging travellers for the use of a half decent road to and from the forest before there was a formal publicly funded mechanism for paying for the maintenance of public highways.

The 1851 pen and ink drawing, below, is titled "Ye olde toll gate"  - a strange name for a contemporary to give his work if "the gate" were not, in fact, a toll-gate.

1851 pen and ink drawing of "Ye Olde Toll Gate"
Another sketch of the old gate,
in a slightly worse condition

Another, undated, high resolution
 view - this time looking south
John Spencer Curwen (see here for details) wrote, in his recollections of life in Forest Gate and Upton, that:

I do not remember the gate ever being closed. It was set back against the wall of the cottage, but anyone who wished to could have closed it.
In my childhood (ed: the 1850's), when we dropped by, the woman in charge would come to the door and catch the penny we tossed her.

This extract does not prove "the gate" was a toll-gate, but why else would a passer-by throw money at a person standing next to it?

Unfortunately, Ordnance Survey maps of the period are not very illuminating.

The 1863 OS map of Forest Gate and district appears to be cut off just feet from where "the gate" was located - and so can't settle any controversy. A larger scale, 6" map, indicates what is now Woodgrange Road ran to the Eagle and Child, and not beyond suggesting that although not formally a "toll road", tolls were collected by the toll-gate keeper to pay for the upkeep of Woodgrange Road, from Romford road, to the pub.

The next event in "the gate's" history, for which records remain, is the earliest (only?) surviving photograph of it. The occasion was a visit of Princess Louise (Victoria's 6th child and 4th daughter) through the district around 1876, on her way to a charitable event in Essex.

The only (?) surviving photo of "the gate" location
 - unfortunately it is open!, c 1876 
The photo was taken before the Eagle and Child pub was re-fashioned, in 1896. The old pub is at the back of the photo and the building attached to it, in the foreground, was a butcher's shop - see below.

The gate is clearly open, but would have stretched from post, on the roadway, to the left of the photo to the lamp-post on the right.

Describing the scene twenty years later, in September 1896, the Forest Gate Weekly News wrote:

Only some twenty years ago the Eagle and Child was the hostelry of the district; its gardens, with summer houses and statuary were much sought out for rest and refreshments by persons passing by, or strolling through the forest.


1879 sketch of toll-gate house, with a row 
of early cottages behind. 
"The gate" unfortunately is not in view.
(nb - this caption amended on 14/05/18)
  
The paper gave credence to the existence of a toll-gate, in the same article, writing:

There are still (1896) residents among us who can remember the old gate and the little toll booth (ed: our emphasis) by which alone from this part of the country, communication was had with the Forest from the high road, from Ilford to London  ... it was necessary first to pay the gate keeper, who eked out his slender honorarium by the sale of cakes, nuts and ginger beer.

On the south side of the gate there were but a few houses then, one occupied by Mr Castell (see below) and another by Mr Baker (ed: what relationship, if any, this person had to the Robert Baker, above, is not clear) on the east side, and some small cottages on the west side, were all the buildings that were near the gate.

The Mr Castell the Weekly News refers to appears in the 1881 census as George Castell, a 45 year old dairyman, living at Sunny Villa ("Mr Baker" does not appear living nearby in these census returns). Doubtless, George Castell supplied, if not owned, the butcher's shop, featured in the  banner photograph of "the gate", above, and probably herded his cattle on Wanstead Flats.

George Castell lived with his wife and seven children in the house in 1881. In the next census, a decade later, he was described as "retired" and was living at 62 Capel Road.

The Weekly News reported in 1896 that the houses that the Baker and Castell families lived in were still standing, but by now "they are hidden by the sight of the shop fronts that were added to them years later "- rather as those further down Woodgrange Road are today.

So, the Weekly News, writing of the 1870's mentioned a toll-gate, but also writing of the 1870's, an old West Ham resident, Major Sharp Hume penned a vivid description of his recollections of "the gate" and its surroundings, in Notes and Queries thirty years later (see the facsimile reproduction, below).

Notes and Queries 9 August 1890
The highlighted sections clearly mention "the gate", but not as a toll-gate, suggesting, perhaps that the West Ham Board had by then taken over responsibility for the road and no longer charged travellers for using it.

It could be deduced from the above that perhaps the tolls were no longer charged from the late 1870's - as some with recollections of the early years of the decade recall the tolls, and those remembering the later years of the decade don't.

The 1896 Weekly News' article, above, acknowledged that no written history of "the gate" was in existence, even then, but referred to surviving oral history accounts of events in its past:

From time to time, imposing, even royal cavalcades, principally hunting parties, or visitors to Wanstead House (ed: see here for details of the House's history) passed through the gate and imperfect records of their pageants were handed down from generation to generation of gate-keepers, but for want of a local historian to reduce them to writing, much that would otherwise be entertaining reading would be lost to us.

Step forward Katharine Fry, daughter of prison reformer, Elizabeth and long-time resident of Forest Gate. Over a number of decades she collected fragments of local history, which Gustav Pagenstecher (see here for details) pulled together and published as a History of the parishes of East and West Ham in 1888. This fairly detailed book, however, has precious little to say about "the gate", after the area in which they both lived was named.  Quoting the relevant part in its entirety, they say:

The hamlet situated beyond the highway, known as Forest Gate ...used in its former years to consist of only two or three gentlemen's houses and the little wooden hut occupied by the keeper of the "gate to the Forest", which was generally shut, to prevent cattle straying from Wanstead Flats to the High Road.

And, that's it! E7-NowAndThen's verdict on their history of the area of their residence: poor show!


A more distant sketch of the toll house,
 Eagle and Child, with a clear view
 of the five bar gate, on the left
Most commentators and historians agree that "the gate" was demolished sometime between 1881 and 1883. This is just three or four years after the Corporation of London took over responsibility for Wanstead Flats and after the West Ham Local Board would have taken over responsibility for the upkeep of Woodgrange and Woodford Roads. The proximity of these events is probably not coincidental.

Within fifteen years the sands of time, however, had blown over much local memory of "the gate", with the Weekly News commenting :"of its ultimate fate, we have no information."

A decade later, writing in the authoritative Essex Review, John Avery asserted that:        

The old gate house at the corner of Forest Street (ed: now Brooking Road) was never a toll-house, but the residence of the keeper of the gate, which was placed across the road to prevent cattle straying off the Flats on to the highway.

And that has become the accepted version of the story: a forest gate, but not a toll-gate.

A crude chronology of "the story" of "the gate" would be, that nineteenth century witnesses declared the gate to be a toll-gate, and twentieth century "experts" dismissed the observations as fanciful. Perhaps revisionism is in order today, and we go back to believing the contemporary witnesses.


Cows on the Flats in 20th century
Piecing the evidence together, the following seems at least to be a plausible account of "the gate's" history.

A gate was in existence, on what is now Woodgrange Road from, at latest, the mid seventeenth century. It was there to keep cattle straying off what we now know as Wanstead Flats on to nearby arable and orchard land, and the main London to Colchester road.

It could well have been erected by the Lord of Woodgrange Manor to protect his crops from animal damage. He may well have charged a toll for the grazing animals to pass through the gate, on their way to market in central London, by way of recompense for the damage their hooves would have done to the road he maintained, en route to Smithfield.

Forest Gate began to develop as a settlement of some importance from the 1840's. This would have brought an increase of passenger traffic along Woodgrange Road, into Leyton and further points north. The old gate clearly, as illustrated by some of the sketches in this article, suffered from disrepair .

In 1851 Samuel Gurney (see here) bought the Hamfrith estate, including the "lordship of Woodgrange Manor" (see above)and immediately erected a new main  gate with the side, five bar, one, referred to above. He also appears to have built a gate-keeper's house - whose occupants would assist both foot and carriage passengers, while still preventing stray cattle wandering.

The gate-keeper, gate and road would all have required maintenance, A toll was charged, to cover, or at least contribute to, the costs of the upkeep of the road, gate and keeper.

When the West Ham Board took over the upkeep of the road, they would have abolished the toll, and made the toll-keeper redundant, but kept "the gate" to keep the cattle at bay. This, however was removed in the early 1880's, as it would have become a serious impediment to the increased volume of traffic. 

Cattle subsequently resumed their  wanders from the Flats down what was by then Woodgrange Road (see photo), as they  would for the next century, until an outbreak of BSE finally stopped cattle grazing on Wanstead Flats in the 1998.

Cows wandering down Woodford Road,
from grazing on Wanstead Flats, in the 1990's
Footnote: We are deeply indebted to local post-card collector and photographer, Tony Morrison, for the use of some his high resolution images to illustrate this article.  We hope to be working with Tony to provide other images from his fine collection in future articles on this blog.